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中国人在美国治痛风 其实吃Vc就可以

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中国人在美国治痛风 其实吃Vc就可以

    风萧萧 2016年10月22日 于加拿大
    http://www.kwcg.ca/bbs/home.php?mod=space&uid=61910&do=blog&id=4572

   前段时间本人左脚掌前部痛风,搜索发现,Vc可以治疗,立马实践,一次两克,几分钟就见效。
   关键在大剂量,以克为单位计算。Vc安全,一次几十克也没关系。
            ---风萧萧 2016年10月22日 于加拿大

   发现有很多网友转载此文,翻译一些英文资料如下。
   维生素C和药物以两种方式工作以降低尿酸水平。一个是通过抑制嘌呤分解成尿酸,另一个是改善尿中尿酸的排泄。维生素C被认为是促进尿酸排泄,而不是抑制。改善排泄会减少尿酸,这通常也是药物治疗的目的。
   以前认为所需维生素C的量为至少每天4克。Robert Atkins博士的营养解决方案推荐每天5-120克。
   2005年,美国对184名非吸烟者的研究发现,达到血清尿酸水平降低所需的维生素C的量仅为每日500mg。
   1990年代末,台湾研究男性痛风和非痛风患者的体重、饮食和生活方式的关系, 得出结论,维生素C和叶酸能预防痛风。还发现纤维能防止痛风。高血压和肥胖是痛风的风险因素。
   有研究者添加类黄酮到维生素C治疗痛风,类黄酮能改善维生素C的吸收,起缓释作用。为此目的,最好的类黄酮是芦丁。2009年的一项研究发现,芦丁本身也能降低血尿酸升高的大鼠的血尿酸水平,在这项研究中用的类黄酮是槲皮素。
           --- 风萧萧 2016年10月23日 于加拿大

   我个人感觉,目前,人类对维生素C治疗痛风的研究还不充分,根据我自己痛风没有再发生的经验,维生素C可能是通过整体改善人的体质,来达到抑制嘌呤分解成尿酸的效果。
   仔细回忆原因,感觉痛风与出汗过多有关。
           --- 风萧萧 2016年10月23日 于加拿大

        Vitamin C May Help Prevent Gout Development - Arthritis Blog Home

Gout and Vitamin C? Yes Vitamin C is  good for gout, but there's a small caution

http://www.best-gout-remedies.com/gout-and-vitamin-c.html

This page about gout and vitamin C was last reviewed or updated on 5 May 2015

Vitamin C for gout? Yes it's a good connection, if not 100% reliable. It is that Vitamin C is reckoned in many studies to lower uric acid levels somewhat, but don't expect the kind of reduction you get from medications.

Recall that vitamins and drugs work in two ways to reduce uric acid levels. One is restricting its supply by inhibiting purine breakdown into uric acid, the other is improving uric acid’s excretion in the urine. Vitamin C is thought to be a uric acid excretor, not an inhibitor. Improving excretion may reduce your uric acid more than reducing production. That is often the case with drugs medications.

GOUT AND VITAMIN C STUDIES 

The connection between gout and Vitamin C has been the subject of a number of studies over the past 30 years. They have concluded that Vitamin C will reduce the uric acid level, but have differed in the amount of Vitamin C given to study participants. A U.S. study of 184 non smokers, published in 2005 looked at gout and Vitamin C. It concluded that the amount of Vitamin C required to achieve a serum (blood) uric acid level reduction was only 500 mg daily. 

The Vitamin C was taken as a supplement. 500 mg daily is not a mega dose. Previously it has been thought that the amount needed was at least 4,000 mg (4 grams) daily. Dr Robert Atkins,(the Atkins diet), in another of his books, "Dr.Atkins' Vita Nutrient Solution," recommended 5,000 -10,000 mg (5 - 120 grams) as part of his formula for a natural remedy for gout.

In the 2005 study, how much did 500 mg of Vitamin C reduce participants' uric acid level? It found an average, across all, reduction of about 10% (0.5 mg/dL). And reductions were larger among participants who had higher levels of uric acid at the start of the study. Participants took the 500 mg daily amount for two months. Those who were given a placebo (i.e. a dummy) showed a slight increase in uric acid levels. Vitamin E was also given to participants but had no effect on uric acid levels.

0.5 mg/dL is a useful reduction but for most people probably not a natural remedy for gout, although the 0.5 mg/dL figure is an average and some participants did better. But a 0.5mg/dL reduction will not be enough for most to reduce uric acid below the 6.0 mg/dL level at which the MSU gout crystals may dissolve. However, when combined with other vitamins for gout, a low purine diet and the other natural remedies for gout described elsewhere on this website, it could be a very useful reinforcement.

A small caution 

Such a rapid change concerned the authors of one study in the 1970’s who also examined the link between gout and Vitamin C. They recorded that mega doses of Vitamin C (4,000 mg and 8,000 mg daily) reduced uric acid levels significantly, and by more than in the 2005 study. i.e. the same conclusion as Dr. Robert Atkins. However, as far as Vitamin C induced rapid changes in uric acid levels is concerned, this kind of change has not been reported in any study.Rapid changes in uric acid levels can trigger a gout attack. This rapid change can be brought about by many factors in addition to mega doses of Vitamin C, including by drug medications that lower uric acid. (It's why doctors prescribe prophylatic medicines such as Colchicine or NSAIDS, along with uric acid lowering medicines). People who are susceptible to gout must consider these rapid changes. 

Vitamin C for preventing gout 

If 500 mg daily of Vitamin C can reduce uric acid levels, then Vitamin C ought to act as a preventative gout vitamin too. A Taiwan study of males in the late 1990’s examined the weight, diet and lifestyles of gout and non-gout patients in Taiwan. It concluded that Vitamin C, and folic acid (folate) were protective against gout. Folic acid is the dietary supplement form; folate is the food form. It also found fibre (fiber) is protective against gout. And it reached the well known and accepted conclusions that hypertension (high blood pressure) and obesity are risk factors for gout. 

1,000 mg plus doses

If you wish to try Vitamin C for gout in doses over 1,000 mg as part of a natural gout remedy discuss it with your doctor, or a qualified naturopathic doctor. The 500 mg level is below the British government’s 1,000 mg (1 gram) daily recommended upper safety level safety limit for Vitamin C. It’s half of the maximum amount (1,000 mg) in a Vitamin C tablet sold in the U.S. and many other countries. 

To avoid excess acidity (lower pH) also take alkalizing minerals, or another alkalizing agent recommended by your doctor. Drink plenty of water and check your urine pH regularly. Acidic urine can lead to kidney stones

Or take an Ester-C version of Vitamin C, because this is non-acidic. 

Use Vitamin C products that have added flavonoids, because flavonoids improve its absorption, as do time release versions. One flavonoid added to better Vitamin C products is rutin.  A 2009 study found that rutin itself lowered blood uric acid levels in rats with elevated blood uric acid. The other flavonoid that did this in this study was quercetin.

These preparations cost a bit more, but it's a bit more money well spent.

Click here to read how 12 healthy people lowered uric acid levels with just two glasses of orange juice a day. No kidding !

However don't expect 100% reliability from Vitamin C..... A New Zealandstudy, published in mid 2013 in the journal Arthritis & Rheumatism, found that Vitamin C at a dose of 500 mg daily for 8 weeks, scarcely lowered uric acid. 

But this has also sometimes happened in earlier studies about Vitamin C and uric acid. A meta-analysis (a study of studies) of 13 Vitamin C and uric acid studies between 1990 and 2009 found that it fell in 9, rose in 4, and there was no change in 1. When Vitamin C was the only substance taken (9 of 13 studies), the uric acid fall was a useful – 0.54 mg/dL. 

Dr.Atkins in his Vita Nutrient Solution book said 8 grams of Vitamin C was needed to lower uric acid.

This meta-analysis was an important analysis of what Vitamin C can do, so I’ve written a page about it. The only caveat is that the studies were not in gout patients. And there have been other Vitamin C studies at higher doses which lowered uric acid by more, or did not lower it, but were not included in the 13 of the meta-analysis. Some patients in these studies were gout patients.

If you want to read the 2005 study click here to download it. It's called: "The Effects of Vitamin C Supplementation on Serum Concentrations of Uric Acid". The study is provided free by Wiley InterScience. When the page arrives click on the Full Text: HTML or PDF (64k) links above the study title. If you want the PDF version you need Adobe Reader.

Related pages you may enjoy

Visit the Vitamin C and uric acid page where we discuss a mega study that on the whole was favourable for Vityamin C's lowering of uric acid.

What do the Vitamin C studies mean. Read our conclusions.

Everyone knows orange juice contains Vitamin C. Can orange juice lower uric acid ?  Read our orange juice for gout page.

VITAMIN C FROM FOODS AND BEVERAGES

Try to eat more foods with high amounts of Vitamin C.

Our link which enables you to download the free National Nutrient database is on this page. Use this link to download the database itself or download a list of foods high in Vitamin C sorted by highest amount first downwards.

Scarcely known high Vitamin C foods

Of course you know some foods high in Vitamin C such as oranges and other citrus fruit.

But here's some not very well known foods which are very high in Vitamin C - Acerola cherry (aka the Barbados cherry); Indian gooseberry (from which Amla powder is made); Kakadu plum; various types of pepper. Horseradish is surprisingly high in Vitamin C, which is why it was a remedy for scurvy in past centuries.


 Vitamin C and gout: an interview with Prof. Lisa Stamp

Published on June 4, 2013 at 6:05 AM · 6 Comments

Interview conducted by , BA Hons (Cantab)

http://www.news-medical.net/news/20130604/Vitamin-C-and-gout-an-interview-with-Prof-Lisa-Stamp.aspx

Which previous studies have suggested that vitamin C moderates gout risk?

A previous study in by Choi et al in the USA showed that people with a higher vitamin C intake have a lower risk of gout. There are also studies in healthy volunteers that suggest that vitamin C supplements reduce blood uric acid levels.

What mechanism did these studies propose for moderation of gout risk by vitamin C supplementation?

It is thought that vitamin C increases the excretion of uric acid in the urine.

The exact mechanism is not known, however, it is thought to be something to do with the way the kidneys excrete uric acid.

There is some evidence that vitamin C might also reduce production of uric acid as well but the major mechanism is thought to be through increasing excretion through the kidneys.

Please can you outline your recent research into vitamin C supplementation in gout patients?

We recruited gout patients who had blood uric acid levels greater than the treatment target level of 0.36 mmol/L (6 mg/100 mL). 

Of the 40 participants with gout, 20 patients taking allopurinol were given an additional 500 mg dose of vitamin C daily or had the dose of allopurinol increased, while another 20 patients were either started on allopurinol or vitamin C (500 mg/day). 

We analyzed blood levels of vitamin C (ascorbate), creatinine and uric acid at baseline and week eight.

What were the findings of your study?

Our study showed that a modest vitamin C dose (500mg/d) for eight weeks did not lower urate levels to a clinically significant degree in gout patients, but did increase blood levels of ascorbate (vitamin C). 

Did your research involve patients taking vitamins pills or adjusting their diet to increase their vitamin C intake?

Patients were given vitamin C pills.

Do you think your results would have differed if patients had increased their vitamin C intake by diet modification rather than taking vitamin C pills?

No. The dose of vitamin C we gave was higher than the daily recommended intake and the blood levels of ascorbate (vitamin C) increased suggesting that patients were receiving adequate amounts.

Were you surprised by the results of your study?

Not really. The degree of change in uric acid levels is similar to that seen in other studies. The amount of change is unlikely to have any significant clinical benefit for patients with gout.

Are the results of your research conclusive or is further research needed to confirm whether vitamin C is beneficial to gout patients?

Higher doses of vitamin C could be studied, however the risks of higher doses needs to be considered.

The dose we gave is already above the recommended daily dose and the blood levels reached a point where increasing them further was unlikely to have any extra effect.

Although your research looked at the effects of vitamin C supplementation on uric acid levels, do you think there may be other benefits of gout patients taking fruits containing vitamin C? For example, are fresh cherries and cherry juice effective at lowering uric acid levels?

Cherries have been reported to lower uric acid levels in women. They have also been reported to reduce the number of gout attacks. The mechanism by which cherries exert these effects is not entirely clear. It has been suggested that cherries increase uric acid excretion via the kidneys and may lower urate production. There are also other anti-inflammatory chemicals in cherries that may have an effect. The amount of vitamin C in cherries is probably not high enough to have any effect.

Why do many patients fail to reach appropriate urate levels despite taking current treatments?

The two most common reasons patients don’t reach appropriate urate levels are not taking the medicines that lower uric acid levels regularly and that the dose of the medicine is too low.

How was your research funded?

The research was funded by the Health Research Council of NZ.

Do you have any plans to research other alternative therapies for gout?

We have plans to look at the effects of omega three fats in acute gout.

There are two things you need to do when you are treating gout. Firstly, you need to treat the acute attacks as they come, secondly, in the long term you need to lower the uric acid to prevent the attacks from coming.

Omega three fats work like a natural anti-inflammatory. The study, which is being led by one of my colleagues in Wellington, will look at whether we could treat those acute attacks of gout by omega three fats rather than using anti-inflammatory drugs. Anti-inflammatory drugs can have quite a lot of side effects.

Where can readers find more information on research into gout treatments?

Patients can look on the clinical trial registry web sites for studies on gout medicines.

Readers can find our research paper here:http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/art.37925/abstract;jsessionid=CBF67F2B57C8F7B5DF8F6E2C58A29DBB.d03t03?systemMessage=Wiley+Online+Library+will+be+disrupted+on+18+May+from+10%3A00-12%3A00+BST+%2805%3A00-07%3A00+EDT%29+for+essential+maintenance

About Prof. Lisa Stamp

Professor Lisa Stamp is a Rheumatologist at the University of Otago, Christchurch and Christchurch Hospital.

She is director of the Canterbury Rheumatology Immunology Research Group and the University of Otago Arthritis Research Theme.

She received a University of Otago Early Career Award for Distinction in Research in 2009 and the Rowheath Trust Award and Carl Smith Medal for Research in 2011.

Professor Stamp has an active clinical role in adult rheumatology. Her research interests include individualization of drug treatments in gout and rheumatoid arthritis.

                  ---风萧萧 2016年10月22日 于加拿大

我在美国治痛风 一段让中国痛风患者抓狂的亲述

沈群 2015-10-10 世界华人周刊

   



http://www.iask.ca/news/world/2015/10/351865.html

同时生活在中美两个国度,使我有机会不停地比较着两地看病用药的显著差异,因此我愿意将我的经历告诉大家,期待着人们由此多一些思考,多一些选择,最终少一些痛苦,多一些快乐。

下面这段经历起源于我2004年患上痛风,当时并不知道这是一种什么疾病,只是右腿的膝盖一下子红肿的像一个染了色的大馒头,稍一弯曲就钻心的疼。我不知道这是一种什么怪病,因为我身体的其他部分没有任何异样。说实在的,我当时想,就是到了医院我都不知道要挂内科还是外科。但是实在疼痛难忍,于是我一边忍住痛,自己开车奔向最近的医院,一边打着电话咨询见多识广的王朔。

“你这一定是痛风”,王朔充满经验而又富有同情,“去医院看看内科,不用担心,吃了药很快就会止住。好的东西你吃多了,以后别喝啤酒,别吃海鲜了”。

到了医院一检查,果不其然,医生两分钟就下了结论:“你这是痛风,血液中尿酸含量过高,产生的嘌昤顺着血液流动在关节处结晶就造成这样。其根源是营养过剩,这是40岁以上男人的多发病。以后别吃海鲜,别喝啤酒了。”

“有特效药吗?”我着急地问。

“有,专门止痛的。另外还有一种叫别嘌醇片,一天吃一粒。”我接过药方正准备出门,医生又补上一句:“那药别多吃,有副作用。”

取完药我马上服用,心里算是踏实了些。一想到来趟医院不容易,这些日子以来,我看电视时眼睛越来越模糊,以至于荧屏上的字幕都难以辨认,就想着既然到了医院,那就再看看眼科吧。于是我又上了医院的二楼,眼科医生带我走进暗房检查。

“你这是眼球蛋白体浑浊。说白了就是营养贫乏,平时多吃点高蛋白的东西。”我一听这话,气就不打一处来——你们这医术有没有准儿啊?楼下的医生刚刚给我下了结论是营养过剩,腿上的红肿还没消去,到了楼上怎么又变成营养不良了?

当然眼睛的问题没有给我的生活带来更多不便,所以关于营养不良这事渐渐被我遗忘了。但是痛风却没有放过我,不管我怎么吃药,同时也忌酒忌海鲜甚至忌豆制品,痛风还是不断地侵袭着我。每次犯病都使我不得不卧床休息,因为那条肿起的腿根本无法弯曲,害得我不得不在行走时拄拐。

那段时间内痛风的反复发作甚至使我产生了悲观的生活情绪——才刚刚四十多岁就已是疾病缠身,无法根除,而且平均不到一个月就会犯上一次,也就是说每个月都需要有几天中断工作卧床休养,这对于我这个每天都要四方跑路的制片人来讲,岂不是莫大的悲剧?

医院之外我也咨询了很多好友,真是不问不知道,一问吓一跳,原来痛风在我们这个年纪竟然是一种如此常见的疾病。而且所有周围的朋友都众口一词地告诉我,这病没法根治,别嘌醇片有副作用。于是,我开始痛下决心,从此以后终身忌海鲜。

难道我这今生的口福就此终结了?啤酒和海鲜都成为我永远的奢望了吗?

我带着极大的悲伤回到了美国。圣诞节期间,我参加了一次家庭式的自助餐,席间我端着盘子在琳琅满目的食品间仔细辨认,挑选着那些不会引起痛风的食品。

“不喜欢吃虾吗?”一个party(派对)上的朋友看着我绕过诱人的葱爆虾随口问到。

“喜欢,怎么不喜欢?是没那份福气了。”我回答。

“怎么了,海鲜过敏吗?”

“不是。我得了痛风,再也不能吃海鲜了。”

那人笑了,“谁告诉你的?”

“所有的中国医生都是这么说的!”我对他的表情感到惊讶。

“所有人这么说也不见得就对呀!美国医生的结论是你基本不用改变饮食习惯……美食是生活中多么重要的享受呀!你知道,我就是内科医生,你要不要听一下我的建议?”就这样,我俩找了一个安静的角落坐了下来。他跟我说的话使我耳目一新,深受触动:“你知道吗,你就是一天什么都不吃,只吃海鲜,按照美国标准,你血液中的尿酸值最大幅度也只能提高1.2,而只要你吃200毫克别嘌醇片,你体内的尿酸值就可降低2.0。”

听他这话,我真有点半信半疑,因为这与我在中国看过的所有医生的嘱咐完全不同,这其中还有很多是经验老到的主任医生、专家门诊。

“你要不要明天到我的门诊试一试?我给你进行检查诊断。”

“好啊!”我欣然应允,我生活观都开始变得黑暗了还有什么不能一试?

以前我不愿在美国看病,主要是因为美国医药费太贵,看一个普通的医生,挂号、简单的诊断就要在100美元左右。这使得我多少年来,已经养成了习惯,有了病,只要不是太急的都留着回到中国再看。

一进他的诊所,我就感到了与国内的不同。虽然检查的程序是一样的,无非就是验血、验尿两种,但检验的方式却大有不同。首先,验尿使用的是一种非常方便的容器,而且取完尿样以后立刻全部封闭。这不禁让我想起在北京某医院验尿的经历——随着医生的一声令下,一群验尿者每人手持一个不带盖子的像果冻盒一样的软体容器,蜂拥一样走进楼道的厕所。可能是化验者们只考虑到自己的方便才使用一个又浅又软又小且无盖的容器,但这对于提供尿样的人来说有多么不方便啊。走出厕所后,听到医生喊:“验尿的人把尿样送到楼下化验室。”于是这三四十人的队伍便开始了在窄小的走廊中的鱼贯而行。为了避免常常是擦身而过的其他行人,很多送检者都将那敞的尿样容器高高地举过头顶。看着一只只高举的手臂和容器中荡漾的黄色液体,我竟然奇怪地想起一个话剧的名字——《为了幸福,干杯》。

美国获取尿样,不仅容器方便操作,全部封闭,而且尿样要从早、中、晚三个不同时段获得,医生说只有这样才能判断出你血液中真正的尿酸含量。

化验结果出来以后,这个医生的治疗更是吓了我一跳——“你先每天吃400毫克别嘌醇片。”

“大夫,我听说别嘌醇片有副作用,吃这么大含量行吗?”

医生又笑了:“是会有副作用,但每天400毫克,你要连续服用两个星期以上才会有副作用。我不会让你吃那么长时间。一个星期就就可以减量。”

“减到多少?”

“每天300毫克。”

“那不还是很大的剂量,中国大陆的医生都说一天只能一片,也就是100毫克。”

“300毫克,要连续服用两个月以上才会有副作用,像你这样吃上一个月就可以继续递减,变为每天200毫克,等到症状消失以后,再减为100毫克。”

“真的?这有根据吗?”

“当然有!所有我刚才说的都是有实验依据的,虽然每个人的体质会有不同,但不会有那么大的差异。当然,万一你在服药中有什么不适可以随时跟我联系,我会做出相应调整。”

听着他的话,我心里还是有些半信半疑。他看出了我的疑惑,就说:“其实这道理非常简单,整个过程就是一个酸碱中和。当你体内尿酸过多时,放一些碱性的东西进去中和掉它,血液中就不至于产生嘌昤了。”

“那我吃东西要注意什么吗?”

“不要大量地吃带壳的东西就行了,像螃蟹、海胆等等,少量食用也没关系,你记住我刚说的话,中和嘛!至于大虾、生鱼等等绝大多数海鲜都不用忌掉,啤酒也可以适量饮用。美食是生活中一项多么重要的享受啊!”

这话真说到我心里去了。带着无限的期待,我开始按着他说的方式服药治疗。半年以后我就开始重回美食世界,随意地食用海鲜。

直到今天,五年半过去了,痛风再也没来找过我麻烦,而这五年多里我没有减少丝毫美食方面的乐趣。但是想想那些生活在中国的痛风病友们,他们失去了多少美食的乐趣?   从那以后我非常愿意在美国看病,虽然医药费比国内昂贵许多,但我知道这钱花得值。因为在生活中还有很多比钱更重要的东西,是我所不愿意失去的。



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